Shelby Approves Resolution that Would Allow Macomb to Build 41A Courthouse
Shelby Township has agreed to work out a deal with its neighbor Macomb Township that would allow Macomb to build a new 41A District Court if the two towns can come to terms on legacy costs.
The Shelby Township Board of Trustees approved a resolution Tuesday evening that will allow Macomb Township to assume responsibilities for the construction of a new 41A District Court if the two towns can agree on employee retiree costs.
"This resolution is not saying the court is going to Macomb. There are a still a lot of ifs ands or buts," said Trustee Lisa Manzella before the unanimous decision was made.
Consultant John Kaczor with Municipal Analytics told the Board in a brief financial presentation that the courthouse has not made Shelby money for years and will continue to be a financial strain.
"The total revenue generated, less total operating expenses of the court is a negative number," he said.
Talks to build a larger courthouse, which serves, Macomb, Shelby and Utica have been in the works for years. In Tuesday's meeting, Shelby Township attorney Rob Huth said the court has threatened legal action if the Township does not make a move.
Through a feasibility study, Macomb has said it will make money by constructing a new building, and Shelby has said it will continue to lose money if the proposed $5 million court is constructed in Shelby. Kaczor said Macomb's audit used a different scale than Shelby to determine operating costs.
"We’ve got enough down the road to worry about without the court," said Shelby Township Supervisor Rick Stathakis. "I like the court and like the judges, but we have to look at the numbers and the numbers are doing the talking."
Kaczor told the Board that there are two possible financial outcomes:
- If Shelby Township decided to build a new courthouse it would cost the Township $450,000 in operating deficits, with the new building costs and retire health care included.
- If the court is not located in Shelby, the Township would collect revenues from the tickets it writes, and that revenue is between $250,000 and $289,000 a year. That money could be used to pay Shelby's existing retiree health care costs.
“I will not put the people of Shelby at risk for a tax increase to build a new courthouse” said Trustee Michael Flynn.
Before the vote was taken, several audience members pleaded with the Board to reconsider the economic ramifications on the surrounding businesses if the courthouse moves out of Shelby. On two occasions during the public discussion regarding the courthouse, a Shelby Township police officer was asked to calm the speakers and even escorted one back to his seat.
In January, Shelby Township's attempt to get an advisory question on the upcoming presidential primary, asking the public to vote on whether the courthouse should move was voted down by the Macomb County Election Commission.
The new resolution states that Shelby will continue to pay legacy costs for already retired court employees. The next step is to determine a cost share agreement between Shelby and Macomb, based on a numerical formula to determine pension costs for current employees who have yet to retire, according to Huth.
“From here, it would be out of Shelby’s hand and up to Macomb to move forward,” said Huth. “We in Shelby can’t force Macomb to do it.”
Jenny Whalen
4:45 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Assuming the financial issues are resolved, where would you like to see the court? Shelby or Macomb? Any votes for Utica even?
Thomas Delise
4:58 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
It really doesn't matter what the resident think or say.Have you not been paying attention to the way things have been going in Shelby Township the last couple years?
Rick
9:37 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Tom how can you be reached - I live in a condo and have a few questions ++
Jeffery Berz
9:44 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Shelby!
Don't worry Matt my opinion was asked for here.
Jeffery Berz
9:27 am on Thursday, May 3, 2012
I wonder how the people of Macomb Township feel about this and I wonder if "their government" listens to them?
Matt Guarnieri
7:17 pm on Thursday, May 3, 2012
If they want it, take it. We had a vote in 2008 and 70% of the voters did not want to borrow money to build a court. Why would anyone think this would change when the economy has gotten worse?
Mr. Berz, are you answering for Utica, because you should live in the community you comment about.... or at least work or pay taxes there.
Jeffery Berz
10:08 pm on Sunday, May 6, 2012
I have never met anyone like Matt. This man is truly amazing. He knows everything about everything. Many people who are as smart as Matt belong to an esteemed group called MENSA which is a group of ultra smart people. Matt proclaims to be involved in a number of think tanks around the country. Wow! That's just amazing to be so smart. It's even better that he lets everyone else know how wrong they are. When Matt has an opinion there is no need for any other opinion. How pompous to act this way and to try to discredit what everyone else has to say.
Here's my opinion:
It's my understanding that Matt belongs to a group called DENSA where the only requirement to be a member is that you have to displace water in a bathtub when you sit in the tub. The rest to me is all bla bla bla bla bla and useless gibberish that only gets Matt stimulated to think he is such a frigg'n genius.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Jenny Whalen
11:18 am on Monday, May 7, 2012
I think we're right at the border where this gets personal. From here on out, let's try to keep the conversation on the issue and not the background of those posting in this stream. Thank you in advance.
Jeffery Berz
3:01 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
I apologize for Matt.
Matt Guarnieri
4:56 pm on Tuesday, May 8, 2012
As you can see, I stay on topic and answer questions. Mr. Berz addresses people personally and attacks. People who launch personal attacks should be banned.
Jeffery Berz
3:19 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Matt,
Once again, thank you for the compliment.
Have a nice day!